07 Mar 2013, Posted by yohami in politics, 17 Comments.

Marx got everything wrong. Or, he got human nature wrong, which is everything.


Marx got everything wrong. Or, he got human nature wrong, which is everything.

His system requires a very organized, mechanical structure where everyone can perform the same and get the same kind of rewards, where you can split the total revenues of the system and allocate them in man/hours – which would require that all hours cost the same, thus, all labors are the same. It would work if the world was an ant farm, and we were all plugged to a Ford style factory and each of us were perfectly replaceable, and if happiness for humans was only about belonging to a family.

So what happens when the factory runs badly, and 20% of the workers are doing most of the goods and the rest are sinking it?

Get 100 professionals with the same grades out of school, are they all equally good? if a carpenter does an excellent job in half a day, and another does a terrible job and it takes a week plus ruins the material, do they deserve the same kind of compensation? if we have ten singers and two are amazingly good and the rest are utter crap, do we love them all equally? how do you motivate the lesser performers, how do you push for higher quality, how do you incentivize the talent? do we take the tools from the expert chef and share them with all the ones who dont care about cooking? do we take the nets from the farmer that worked all year, and give them to the farmers who didnt work at all?

He didnt understand that getting the same kind of results no matter what you do is the worst demotivator ever.

The only thing worse than marxism is capitalism, because it’s in power. In theory, different business exchange capitals and the capital is moving and healthy. In the practice, the capital stays where it is and everyone else provides services. Feudalism. It’s like being in a monopoly game where the the board has been already purchased and built with hotels, and you need to keep rolling the dice and paying, and getting loans and kissing asses just to get by, or get expelled otherwise.

And democracy. Build a group made of ten experts and one hundred amateurs, give them a problem to solve and let them all vote. Good luck.

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March 7, 2013 8:37 am

NN

Tyranny of Words – Stuart Chase

March 7, 2013 10:59 am

rycamor

While your observation of Marx’s misunderstanding of human nature is true, you have obviously read nothing of Marx himself. Ironically, he had many friends, several children, and was a very sociable person with a sharp sense of humor. Alpha male all the way. Yes, he lived in poverty and wrote books, but he had close friends who owned factories.

In fact, if you look for the roots of Marxism, it comes right from the industrialists who wanted to run the world. In their minds, humans could be turned into replaceable components. This is exactly where the modern educational system comes from also. Students are simply units of work-potential, to be channeled into this or that industry and division of labor, and are to be optimized for such based on their various attributes, as long as they display no tendency to think for themselves, or ask vital questions about the system as a whole.

Marxism IS a factory religion. It was all about “means of production” (and “strict accounting and control” as you can see from the writings of Lenin). They held that you could reduced everything to a formula, and the cold logic of this formula would be so welcomed by the people of the world that it was in fact inevitable.

March 07 2013 18:56 pm

Martel

And another funny thing about Marx himself is that he never held a job and mooched off of Engels his entire life.

March 7, 2013 11:16 am

yohami

true, dont know anything about marx himself. he had kids and friends? dafuck.

March 07 2013 19:04 pm

Martel

I recommend Paul Johnson's "The Intellectuals". His description of Marx makes him look like a total putts. He does the same for Rousseau and a few other intellectual giants who may have been Alphas in the sexual sense, but they were total jackasses in their day to day lives.

March 7, 2013 1:04 pm

namae nanka

“Marx got everything wrong. Or, he got human nature wrong, which is everything. ”

The workers of the world didn’t unite much, however the women of the world have done it to a better degree.
Mitchell Heisman(google his suicide note) made the case that Marx erringly argued his case about class war from conditions in England, not realizing that the Norman-Saxon racial struggle underlied it. He then makes the case that the American Civil War was largely influenced by it.

“20% of the workers are doing most of the goods”

the pareto principle?

March 7, 2013 3:31 pm

Zorro

Marx’s notion of human behavior/nature is retarded. It’s stupid on the level of Scientology. The very concept of human equality is laughable, childish and reptilian in its propensity to broadcast wish-fulfillment across entire societies. People who cling to Marx may as well cling to unicorns and magic fairy dust. When I meet anyone who even hints at belief in human equality, Marxist theory or feminism, I figure they use their brains for ballast, cause they sure aren’t using them for thinking.

March 08 2013 13:20 pm

Zorro

I read Sowell's "The Vision of the Anointed." It was breathtaking. The man is a genius.

March 08 2013 18:53 pm

Martel

Zorro, that's a great book. Unless you're an extremist, there's no way to read it and come out on the other side of it as a leftist.

I recommend his prequel to it, also. "A Conflict of Visions" is more academic and describes the opposing visions as fairly as possible. It's one of those books that completely altered how I view the world.

And together they mirror the style he used in his Marxism book. First, he even-handedly explains both sides of an issue in a way that demonstrates the thoroughness of his understanding. Whatever you think, you have to recognize that he's considered your way of thinking.

Then, he takes a side and utterly destroys those who disagree with him.

March 07 2013 19:18 pm

Martel

Just as bad as his views on human nature was his value theory. The idea that how much effort that goes into creating something determines its value is ridiculous. If I spend eighty-five hours constructing a six-foot paper mache statue of Beavis, it's not worth nearly as much as a vacuum cleaner that rolled off some assembly line. Stuff's worth what somebody will pay for it, and nobody's going to pay very much for a paper mache statue of Beavis no matter how much time I put into it.

If anything, it encourages inefficiency. If something's going to get me more money because I put more "effort" into it, I'm going to make everything as time-consuming as possible.

I strongly recommend Thomas Sowell's "Marxism: Philosophy and Economics." He gives a very straightforward and fair assessment of what Marx actually wrote and believed. And then in the last chapter he rips him to shreds.

March 7, 2013 4:25 pm

Laddition

So…”the theory is the important thing” for the two in the clip.

how odd

the important thing, as far as I can see, is that every single time that this “master-theory” has been tried, it has failed. Most logical people that I know would take that to indicate that the theory was a pile of shit…

of course, the bigger problem is that we let such dullards vote.

March 07 2013 16:31 pm

yohami

its running in china

March 7, 2013 5:28 pm

rycamor

“The theory is the important thing.” Ironic that the maker of the video thinks this is a nice little dig at Austrian theory. Marxism does not take into account that people change their behavior when presented with different options, rewards, or punishments, while Austrian theory is all about that fact (see “Human Action” by Mises). Keynesian economic theory is more in line with Marxism, in that it assumes government can simply channel money this way and that without affecting how hard people are willing to work

March 7, 2013 7:25 pm

Unending Improvement

Marx, an Alpha male? Ha!

He lived off of his feminist wife, and Das Kapital was one year of his life.

March 7, 2013 7:27 pm

yohami

Yes. How much effort goes into something determines it’s production cost, not it’s value.

March 9, 2013 3:34 am

BPaul

Well I think you must bear in mind that Marx was in the same time that Darwin was working out evolutionary theory. Why liberals like both is a sort of cognitive dissonance, oh well.

Regarding Martels deconstruction of Marx’s ValueTheory and the statute of Beavis. What Marx was referencing is that its value is to you, you put time into it so it has value to you. It might not be what others value it at. He was outlining from what I can tell how you need to be industrious in finding what others will pay for something, something he called “the production of surplus value”. I find him not to be completely without merit, but off with regards to his final static solution.

March 09 2013 03:37 am

yohami

that you put a lot of time in producing something doesnt mean that the final result has value to you. And you can do something quickly and get attached to it

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