This approach would seem to maximise the chances of a favourable response from the greatest number of girls, playing the numbers game as it were. Thinking about it, I rarely use the word “date” when setting up meetings, it coming across too serious and formal.

Personally though, I would never offer the suggestion of “with friends” when trying to set up a date. If a girl isn’t mature enough to agree to a face to face meeting without the safety net of a group of other people there, then I simply cannot be bothered wasting my time on her.

“Covert, vague courtship works better than direct overt courtship.”

Yohami, great blog, like to get your feedback because contradicts the following:

1. your advice here seems to directly contradict Rollo Tomassi who advises against “Rejection Buffers” such as endless texting.

Rollo says that vague texting is a way to NOT get rejected, because you are never asking the girl point blank for a yes or no.

This only leads to the girl leading you on.

So Rollo says – ask her point blank. If she’s wishy-washy, you can put her back into the rotation, but do not “endless text”

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/buffers/

2. Roosh V advises the same in Bang. The first text, after Hi, should be – “do you want to hang out?” If she’s wishy-washy, you know where you stand. If she declines but doesnt offer an alternative she is “probably NOT into you.”

So Rooshy advises against endless texting as well.

3. 60 Years of Challenge agrees: “Push for a meetup sooner rather than later to avoid wasting time” and “Choose the option that creates the MOST sexual tension”. In other words, you actually WANT to ask her IN PERSON, or right away on text, whether she wants to hang out…

60 agrees that girls don’t like to be direct, but 6o argues that is THEIR problem, not yours.

You actually WANT to see the girl “blushing” and a bit uncomfortable, because “sexual tension IS uncomfortable. Sex is not supposed to be comfortable.” If a girl is really INTO you (you are suffciently Alpha/Sigma for her,) she WILL NOT CARE if she is a little uncomfortable – in fact it will turn her on.

So 60 says when you go out of your way to “make the girl feel comfortable” and not put her on the spot you are really SUPPLICATING to the girl. YOU ARE GOING INTO HER FRAME. Whoever is supplicating in the interaction starts to get the Lower Value.

So you are SUPPLICATING the girl when you are Making Her Feel Comfortable, by doing things such as “Not putting her on the spot.” and “Not forcing her to give you a direct rejection in person.”

Supplication = Lower Value, which will only lead to a loss of attraction. Because girls can only be attracted to Higher Value.

So, I’d be interested to see where you think these guys are going wrong, or what I’m missing

Have you seen this? It seems Susan has begun complaining about the lack of betas loudly announcing themselves to prospects by pursuing old courtship methods. Here she urges men to drop their cloaking device so as to be better friend-zoned before you can get yours.

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/01/15/relationshipstrategies/the-endurance-of-courtship/

On the plus side the fact that women are complaining about it means a) being vague works b) reinforces the notion that watching what they do is infinitely more important than what they say c) The apex solution is to simply listen to what they say they are upset about and double down on that.

dating is dead. the new term is (as you stated) “hanging out”. i NEVER ask a girl if she want to “go out”. i tell her what i’m doing and tell her she’s welcome to join me.

as far as future plans, i RARELY make those now. everything is spontaneous.

good advice Yo.