17 Dec 2012, Posted by yohami in politics, 10 Comments.
It’s not like your toddler found your guns and killed everyone.
dont’ need no gun to make explosions, yo.
If you have a segment of the population hanging themselves, do you fix the problem by making rope illegal?
If they are stabbing each other, do you fix the problem by hiding the knifes?
It’s not like your toddler found your guns and killed everyone. These killings dont happen by accident. They require intent, and planing, and desperation.
So address the intent, planning and desperation. What’s going on exactly? who’s doing the shootings? why? what do they have in common? how did they get into that situation? how many ticking bombs do we have? how can we find them, heal them, help them, or at least restrain them, before they go off?
They, the media, politicians, agenda people, are using the killings to fuel another debate, the gun control debate, which has its own merits but it’s unrelated to the killings, it’s not the cause of the killings, and wont stop the killings, simply because the tool is not responsible for the intent of using the tool. In other words, they dont seem to give a fuck about THIS problem.
Take out the guns and you’ll still see the killings, in the form of hand made bombs, fires, lethal gas, stabbings, and of course black market guns.
Then what?
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10 Comments
December 17, 2012 7:14 pm
Ashley @Twitter Name
Amen! Criminals who want to kill innocent people will find a way to get their hands on a gun if they want. No laws are going to stop that. And if they don’t get their hands on a gun, they will find another method, as you said.
December 17, 2012 9:22 pm
Stingray
If they are stabbing each other, do you fix the problem by hiding the knifes?
Well, yes. That’s what Britain thinks, anyway.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
This is just . . . I don’t even know. . .
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/06/15/nanny-state-knife-ab.html
December 18, 2012 12:20 am
M3 @Twitter Name
“What’s going on exactly? who’s doing the shootings? why? what do they have in common?”
That requires asking questions most Americans aren’t ready to hear the answer to.
It’s a lot easier to hate the inanimate object, rather than introspect and resolve what caused the person to use that object in the manner they did.
Altho i would be remiss to say, the founders never envisioned today and could not foresee the use of military weapons in the hands of civilians who aren’t part of a ‘well regulated militia’, rather the autistic son of a divorced mother who never should have had access to a pistol, much less an assault rifle.
Problems abound. I don’t have any answers any of you wold care for. I don’t much care for my own answers either.
December 18 2012 01:56 am
AneroidOcean @Twitter Name
The argument that the 2nd amendment does not give citizens the right to bear arms and that it only applies when they are part of a well regulated militia is just misinformed. If you read about the 2nd amendment and irrefutably long-standing supreme court decisions, you'll see why that argument holds no water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
How do you define military weapons?
As for not allowing citizens to have semi-automatic rifles, have you seen this article? Do you really think there aren't weapons that are CHEAPER, EASIER TO GET, and MORE effective than a rifle?
We can't look at the weapon as the problem. You won't see the forest for the trees.
December 18 2012 01:57 am
AneroidOcean @Twitter Name
I forgot to link the article:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/news/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214
December 18, 2012 6:46 am
Emma the Emo
I agree a good solution would be stabilizing angry or damaged people. But I warn you against “restraining them before they do something”. This is a short road to preemptively putting people in jail before they even planned or did anything illegal. You can’t do that, it’s a human right violation.
I just talked about this with my boyfriend, whose family turned on him for being, in their eyes, too quiet, too smart and too antifeminist. He got arrested (illegally) for saying offensive things on the internet and they decided to get him before he “does something”, although that’s BS. His family talked to the cops and told them he was “weird” and “sick”. Good thing the shrink who evaluated him didn’t believe them and even strongly criticized them for drawing such a conclusion.
Cops didn’t do a thing to prevent any crime by harassing us like that. They just wasted a lot of taxpayer money. If anyone did any preventing, it was me. I did it by giving some love to an angry incel guy.
December 18, 2012 6:48 am
Emma the Emo @Twitter Name
As for the guns, It is perhaps too late to start with gun control in USA. It has too many guns. How are they going to take them away? Could that lead to a lot of violence? Too many illegal guns? I dunno if that could work, even if they tried.
December 29, 2012 9:57 pm
Apollyon @Twitter Name
Gun control is not the solution. There are many countries that have much higher homicide rates than the U.S. When you look at data on a per capita basis, it is more accurate. The U.S. rate, while higher than many European countries, is noticeably lower than African and Latin countries that have stricter gun laws and few guns per capita.
Break out the U.S. homicide rate by race and you’ll start to see the picture.
One can either do the easy “solution” (gun control) or ask the hard questions. That might be along the lines of noticing correlations between single mothers and crime rates of offspring, mental health issues, neglect, etc…those questions will not be asked for obvious reasons…
December 29, 2012 10:58 pm
YOHAMI
yeah
December 31, 2012 1:01 pm
dannyfrom504 @dannyfrom504
as i’m sure you know. i have a dog in this fight. within my workplace, i’m the known “gun guy”. my arguement was thusly-
mom had guns LEGALLY, and allowed her mentally disturbed son to have access to them. SHE should be arrested.
i want to know the correlation between men that have been medicated since childhood, stopped taking these medds, and “snapped”. i’ve read articles that say when boys are medicated so long, they never mentally develope the ability to quell natural male aggression, and they react like a child does when angered- which is to lash out voilently.
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