Deti just left this at Detination, well worth reposting.


Though I don’t agree with all aspects of their lifestyles, and despite what I’ve said above, I have much respect for players. With a player, what you see is what you get. Players are up front, direct and honest about their intentions, what they want from life and the way they live their lives. Perhaps there are elements of ambiguity in a player’s seduction methods, but no more so than women have been deploying in their mating and sexual strategies since hypergamy was released from her Pandora’s box at least 30 years or so ago. Any woman who gets with a player gets with him because she wants to get with him — and she will have to live with whatever consequences flow from that. Players have surveyed the landscape and taken stock of their talents and drawbacks. They have made what I consider to be fully rational lifestyle choices, given the world they inhabit. Players know they live in a feminine-centric society that has expressly chosen unrestrained hypergamy over patriarchy. Players recognize they live in a world of unfettered female sexuality that assigns greater value to raw displays of masculinity and little value to marriage and lifetime coupling, Women have been told, nay, encouraged, to do and say anything they want, with anyone they want, whenever and wherever they want, and that they will suffer absolutely no adverse consequences for it. I can’t fault players for doing what they can to turn such a situation to their advantage, or at least learn to navigate it. Players are putting that old military adage into operation: Adapt. Improvise. Overcome.


I respect MGTOW because I believe it to be a viable, rational lifestyle choice in today’s SMP and the larger society. They also have taken stock and made rational decisions about their lives and the world they live in. Men’s rights activists do good work. They are sounding the alarm in informing men about divorce and its devastating effects on men, women, children, and society. The destruction of the family is the destruction of Western society. These men are given hope, told they are not alone, and work to get something to live for after their money, jobs, and children are taken from them. I don’t believe there will be a “men’s rights movement”. Short of doing work at the margins and making small improvements in the lives of divorced fathers, men for a number of reasons won’t organize into a movement to preserve and protect male rights. Men do not subscribe to such notions as “the personal is political”. For men, the political is political, and the personal is personal, and never the twain shall meet.

“Man up, stop playing those videogames and marry the high N over 30 woman who’s now ready to settle down after 10 or so years on the carousel” simply won’t do. It won’t do because a growing number of men have gotten wise to the lies, are figuring out what is really going on the SMP, and have stopped listening. If it is to survive — if indeed Western society is to survive — the North American Church must return to advocacy of patriarchy, in which men’s contributions and leadership are valued and cherished, and to which the women and children willingly submit.


I am not a traditionalist, or a traditional conservative. I am not a Churchian. I do not subscribe to the tenets of liberal Churchianity. Modern Churchianity and tradconism have become willing tools and useful idiots for feminism, which has shot through and infected much of the old line conservative and Churchian institutions. Those institutions wink and nod at women (including Churchian women) playing by the new rules of hookup, one-night stands, serial monogamy as the preferred, “more moral” form of promiscuity, intentional single motherhood, and “I’m not haaaappy” divorce, all with unlimited choices for women while simultaneously requiring no commitment from them. At the same time, modern Churchianity and tradconism demand that men play by 1950s rules of securing education and lucrative employment; courtship; supplication; traditional dinner-and-a-movie dating requiring immediate displays of monetary and time investment; and ultimate commitment in the form of hitching him to the plow of a wife who neither loves nor respects him in a society that is doing everything it can to sabotage and destroy his marriage. It encourages men to waste their money, their time and their lives in the service of ungrateful, unworthy women. And all of it is this way because women as a group, with their white knight and mangina accomplices, want it this way; while the Churchian establishment gives its tacit cooperation in the form of heretical “theology”.


Im a Christian. I am a Nicene Creed-style believer. I believe Game and patriarchy have their roots in the Bible. I’m also a complementarian. I believe male dominant/female submissive and sex within the confines of lifetime marriage are the most beneficial orderings of male-female relations. The evidence of this is all around us — men and women innately and automatically seek to order themselves into maledom/femsub relationships even in STRs and LTRs, even in “serial monogamy”, even outside marriage, even in fleeting sexual encounters. Men and women yearn to order themselves in this way because the Designer designed them this way — because God ordered it and placed those desires into every human being. Men and women ignore this fact at their extreme peril of grinding unhappiness, grief and misery. The prime source of dissatisfaction in the SMP arises from the fact that sex and relationships short of marriage are unsatisfying, incomplete imitations of marriage which are nearly always destined to failure.

I believe sluts can reform and make themselves into marriageable women. I believe this is very difficult and most women are unable to do this, and still more are unwilling to do the necessary work. I believe alphas can make themselves into marriageable men if they choose. I believe most alphas choose not to marry. I believe these things because I have faith in God’s redeeming power and ability to make all things new. I believe God can do what humans cannot. I believe the SMP looks the way it does because humans have screwed it up, just like they screw everything up. I realize my beliefs in this regard put me into a minority in the Manosphere.

Deti, July 6 2012

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