Looks matter, but looks is not what gets you laid. Even if you´re stunning the girl is gonna put you through tests. I see the order of importance as:
Game (personality, masculinity, drive, demeanor, charm, dominance)
Social proof (the throne other people puts you in)
Assets (stuff you own and display)
Looks (body, clothes)
Some of these are interchangeable and every bulletpoint influences the rest.
Say. Your looks say a lot about the rest of these items. If you´re fat and smell silly it says a lot about your game, social proof etc. Looks are the presentation card, and they convey the rest of the traits. So in a way, looks are “everything”. But they are everything because of what they say about you.
Assets. The girls you attract with assets are not the good kind. But again, assets can produce attraction as they also convey personality traits, game, etc. It´s different if you own a motorcycle or if you own a family motorhome or a corvette. What you own says stuff about you, what kind of person you are, what´s your position in the hierarchy, what´s your tribe.
Social proof. This is the vital external thing. Because girls go with the popular, center of the social circle guy, and in society is where your dominance is measured. This is what conveys safety. Girls are herd animals – there´s nothing more attractive than the center of the herd. Social proof or lack of thereof says important stuff about you.
And all this stuff that says stuff about you is going to be used to measure you. Measure what?
Game. At the end this is what counts, because when its you and her alone, all the other stuff has to be true reflection of who you really are, and it has to show in your interpersonal interactions. If there´s dissonance you´re up for a long, uphill and losing battle. Everything else emanates from here.
In short looks, assets, social proof are measurable things that interconnect with each other, and are all reflection of your Game. And your Game itself is just another reflection of the “true” you, which in this context is just your genes, since this is a breeding / reproductive game.
I’m with you that game is the most important. Game as anything other than a silly PUA run – so actual game that is a lifestyle – involves being the best you.
However, I do think, and you may agree with me, that looks are a part of game.
A drive to better yourself should include looks or its incomplete. Its not about showing off, or looking better than the next guy, its about looking like YOU. Looking like your inner self.
So, game that doesn’t include looks and health just feels…. incomplete to me.
Yep.
Good looking guy v. average looking guy with strong game go head to head over a hot girl, who wins?
Depends on the girl, hot or not.
9-10
I mean. Its up to the girl. What she´s looking for, it doesnt matter if she is hot or not, the question is what she values the most. The proper question is: which one of the guys makes her feel better?
Then. The prettier the girl the more “alpha” traits she´ll screen.
The pretty boy has the upper hand. The game is his to lose.
The average buy gamey boy is the dark horse. The game is his to win.
But she´ll screen the shit out of the pretty boy. If he has no game, he´s going to lose points quickly.
She´ll be dismissive of the average guy. But if he twists the joke on her, she´ll realize it quickly.
And then more variants. Is she looking for a trophy? one night stand? weekend boyfriend? a good fuck? someone to present to her parents? what´s the level of investment of the guys?
If the time is short the pretty boy has and advantage.
The longer you stretch that time, the more the advantage of the gamey boy increases.
And then. Social proof.
All it takes is a couple of people dismiss the pretty boy as a loser, and a couple of people treat the gamey boy like a king, and its game over. And the other way around too.
Why then do most women say they are primarily attracted to looks?
They are attracted to looks. But whenever they say they are attracted to something, they are just mentioning stuff on guys they already find attractive for non spoken reasons. Its the same as when they say they want “nice”. Whatever they say they want, add alpha to it. They are attracted to alpha, good looking guys, and alpha guys who are nice to them.
Put them with a good looking guy who treats them nice but has no game and he´ll starve.
Good post.
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Discussion of “Looks” often lacks discussion of quality of movement. I watched “Gentlemen prefer Blondes” recently and the difference in quality of movement between Marilyn and the other girl is staggering. I’d even venture as far as to say that quality of movement is more important than looks themselves.
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There is danger in working directly on looks/social proof/assets before inner life is sorted out and aligned. It’s very easy to end up going for the enslaving basics – muscle mass, “popular” connections/easy sex, flashy money rather than make choices in alignment with higher truths. The problem is that that superficiality and instantaneity of response to pure mass, easy sex and dirty money create a feedback loop that makes it harder to go deeper..
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In the end, I think, the ultimate indicator of the man’s Game is which women he picks and how he fucks them. In that moment everything “not his” is stripped away. If he ain’t dominant outside of the bedroom, he won’t be dominant in the bedroom either. If he can’t manage tension while working, he won’t be able to hold back ejaculating. Sex itself is the best microcosm.
Amen.
I think the big thing looks do will be to cause initial reaction in a vacuum. The better looking you are the more likely a woman will approach you or not make you jump through the first few shit tests she’d give an average looking guy.
Also, Roissy has a post right now that an individual’s style of game might be best served by being more direct the better looking you are. I think that’s simplifying things in terms of leaving out confidence and personality, but I can see there being some truth to that
Roissy/Heartiste seems to be advocating this bullshit that looks matter a lot.Maybe I’d misread his latest post,but anywho.
To all the guys who wanna believe that looks is the key,then what the hell is there to say for ugly guys who seem to always have HB8’s and higher?So-called good-looking men are NOT taking home 9’s.
Good post.
I mean,if looks were the ultimate thing to getting laid,then what explains the ugly guy who has the hot girl?
Good-looking men are not taking home HB8’s and higher.So-called unattractive men are.
Looks are one of the keys, on a door that has at least 4 locks.
If you have the hollywood hotness quality, any girl who is a few grades lower than you in value will just throw herself at you with no screening nor shitting process involved. That works for value in general, not just looks, but it works on looks alone too.
When you have a lot of face value there will be female intrasexual competition around you. Which means girl´s will jump on your lap to outdo the competition. That works for casuals sex and hooking up and short term mating etc.
It ceases to work the moment you spend more than a couple nights together, or if you go into a relationship. Then looks and your face value ceases to matter.
Or it never starts to matter if the girl is hot too, or if she has equal value to your own. Or if you´re not the only hot guy around, or if there´s no intrasexual competition around you for whatever reason.
In other words, hollywood hot guys also get dumped.