13 Jun 2011, Posted by yohami in guest post, 41 Comments.
Rivelino´s modern feminism on the soccer field (guest post)
Rivelino is back with a story, from the comments.:
modern feminism on the soccer field
alternate titles:
- just another reason why i hate american women
- feminism rears its ugly head yet again
- should girls even play sports??
- hit me you fat bitch
- just like that indian reality tv show
- what the fuck is going on with american women
- can american women get any more aggressive?? i say no.
- this is exactly what yohami was talking about
anyway, let’s get on with the story.
so i play on three soccer teams, all three are coed. on my sunday team, they have all played together for a while now. the captain, eric, is a nice guy, but a total beta. he is chubby and he barely plays. he just is more or less the organizer. he does it to have friends.
so this is only my second season with the team, and while i like the team, i don’t exactly “click” with them, because they are more lowbrow. more like go to hooters and get drunk type of people.
so our game today, we are playing our arch rivals, the team we lost to in the championship last season. we have a new player adonis who is very good. he plays semi professional. eric likes to recruit top talent.
adonis is always picking fights though, and likes to play rough, even with the female players, and with the ref. he is belligerent. takes the game way too seriously.
so in the first half we are playing well, and up 2-0. then adonis runs over a female player, and the captain of the other team rushes adonis and they almost get into a fight but our captain eric separates them. the ref for some reason ejects both adonis and the other team captain, who like eric, doesn’t play much, just likes to be captain.
without adonis, and with only one male substitute, we start getting tired. by halftime it is 2-2.
second half, they switch me from midfield to defense, because our male defender is tired. so i am playing with amber, this fat, squat, short female blonde with attitude. i actually had not played with her before, but later i find out she has played with the team for a while.
we are playing a 2-3-2, meaning me and amber are the only two defenders. our midfield is tired, and so we are getting a lot of fast breaks coming our way, with numbers against us, and usually at my side, the right side. amber starts ripping on me, yelling at me, and telling me not to be scared of the ball. wtf??
she is doing this because like a good defender, i don’t overcommit, especially when the other team is attacking with more players than we had to defend. the strategy there is to slow down the attack until the midfielders can come back to help defend.
amber like a good feminist cunt, likes to play really aggressive, which is dangerous. she is not a bad defender, mind you — for a girl — but her yelling at me is really pissing me off.
finally i start talking back. not a good idea. amber is the worst kind of woman, an angry feminist who is channeling A LOT of masculine energy. she thinks she is better than me, has no idea what is going on, and is getting frustrated that we are now losing 4-2, none of the goals being my fault, and in fact them being more her fault than anyone else’s. but still, she has to let out her anger, and once i start talking back, she has a target.
she overcommits two more times, and we got scored on two more times, so now it is 6-2, and i can’t help but jab back at her — i told you not to overcommit! i tell her — but that is not a good idea.
amber literally starts threatening me with violence. she says, shut the fuck up or i will go over there and slap you! then she adds, i will hit you! — and i can’t believe what i am hearing.
has american feminism come to this?? do american girls now relish getting off on threats of violence, to men twice their size?? wtf is going on here?
i don’t know what to do, so ignore her. but the other team hears her yelling at me and threating to slap me, and they of course start laughing. it is incredibly embarrassing and humiliating for me, and i am in shock that it is even happening.
immediately i think of the indian reality tv show that yohami posted, and how i am completely shackled. there is nothing i can do. frame control can’t help me now. i screwed up by being reactive initially — even though she kept on yelling at me to “play better defense” when i was playing excellent defense, and SHE was the weak link in the defense — and the fact that adonis get kicked out, everyone our team was tired, we were playing our arch rival — it was a bad situation.
still — threats of violence?? and she loved it too. cause she KNEW that i could do nothing about it. it was JUST like yohami talked about. the world is now officially upside down.
the game ends. i am so angry that i make a great run right before the end of the game and almost score — but don’t. i didn’t help that i didn’t play my best game — and it turns out that i guess amber is “entrenched” in the team — so i have a lot less value than she does — and after the game, i go up to our captain and say, eric, what’s up with your girl?, and typical beta, he replies:
“bro, we have some STRONG women on this team, and i have learned not to talk back to them, it’s just not a good idea. and now we have people mad at you for talking back to her, and this is my sunday, and i don’t want drama.”
he literally then goes around and invites everyone else to go to hooters after the game, but doesn’t mention it to me.
wow.
so that’s my sunday afternoon story. fucking short fat amber, built like a truck, fueled by feminist rage, going off on me, telling me she is going to slap me and hit me, i mean, seriously.
can you IMAGINE anything like this 5o years ago? 100 years ago?
maybe coed leagues are a bad idea overall, because it does get kinda aggressive, and sometimes i have to knock over a girl because she is in my way — and she gets in my way ON PURPOSE because she wants to play the victim, and sometimes the ref calls it the guy’s way, sometimes the girl’s way.
yeah, girls should play with girls, guys with guys. a little mystery, people.
and should girls even be playing sports?? back when i was a beta, i bought into all those nike commercials — “if you let me play, i will be less likely to be raped” etc etc — now i think that is all bullshit. girls should play tennis and that’s it. even tennis, which does give girls great legs, may make their backs to big.
fuck sports. BALLET MOTHERFUCKER. girls should do ballet and dance and cheerleading.
end of story.
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41 Comments
June 13, 2011 12:58 am
yohami
I can figure this happening 100 years ago, but she would have had her ass kicked
June 13, 2011 1:00 am
Rivelino
seriously, though, she girls play team sports?
this is a serious question.
i think susan should write about this.
team sports foster so much aggressiveness. team sports really should only be for MEN.
if you had told me this a few years ago, i would have cried out — sexism! discrimination! oppression! — like a good beta boy, but now i am rethinking EVERYTHING.
June 13, 2011 1:01 am
Rivelino
when i was in college, the entire female lacrosse team was made up of butch lesbians.
makes sense.
and i remember posting a story a while back about how girls in high school now wanted to wrestle against boys.
totally fucked up.
June 13, 2011 1:04 am
Rivelino
trying to see it the other way, though, if i was a girl playing on a soccer field against guys who pushed me around, ran me over, knocked me down, etc., i would get tough too. what other choice would i have?
and that is my point. coed sports are definitely wrong, i have just decided. they help exacerbate the situation and create even more angry, belligerent women.
so that should definitely be stopped.
but even girls playing against girls. just creates more masculine girls.
girls will reply, yeah, well girls need to be tough in this world, and gotta fend for themselves, men can’t be trusted, men will cheat on you and leave you, etc etc — and you know what, they make a point.
i don’t know.
everything is crazy.
all i know is that some short little bitch on MY TEAM wanted to fight me and was yelling at me the she was going to slap me and hit me if i didn’t shut the fuck up.
surreal.
June 29 2011 23:25 pm
Jamie @Twitter Name
OK, I was getting fired up to write a really angry comment until I read this, which pretty much outlined the points I was going to make.
I agree that co-ed sports are a horrible idea. The girl getting in your way because she knows you won't trample her because she's a girl is just as terrible as the boys who used to knock me over in PE class. Segregating sports teams by gender makes for a fair game.
But the idea that girls shouldn't play sports at all? We are fending for ourselves in a man's world and still expected to maintain femininity. That notion alone makes me angry, never mind all the bullshit I deal with on the daily. (different bullshit than what you deal with, but it still makes me want to punch walls in the same way) Why shouldn't we have an outlet for our aggression? Or be allowed to play a contact sport if it pleases us? Men are constantly bemoaning how fat women are these days, well, running up and down a soccer field sounds like a perfect cure for fatness, but no...there's just no way to please, is there?
Also, do you know what women 50 years ago did with all their pent-up anger and frustration? They poisoned their husbands. (See archives at 1947project.com)
June 13, 2011 3:49 am
Titfortat
I know, I know, this one will probably not be worthy of the politically correct. But really man, are you a pussy or what?
June 13, 2011 4:01 am
Rivelino
i thought about it a lot, and i realized my major mistake: not playing better on the field. if i had scored an early goal, or not made a couple of mental mistakes, i would have had higher value on the field, and then maybe she would have yelled less — although i doubt it. she is just a bitch.
titfortat, i don’t know what you mean.
June 16 2011 00:48 am
dannyfrom504
your mistake was not calling her out b/c she's a girl. she want's to engage a man on man's terms, be prepared for a man battle. and that mean's fist fight. i'd have called timeout, stepped to her and told her do something to me. hit me, punch me, kick me. but make a move or STFU. IF she'd have swung on you, i doubt it'd have been a serious blow and you'd have laughed (which is why i reccomend covering the balls to avoid the cheap shot).
i NEVER play co-ed sports for this very reason. it's SOOO not PC to talk shit to a girl. but shit talk is a part of us playing a game.
and within the US, soccer is mas puto. lol. jus' sayin'. you can play that shit ANYWHERE else, just not here. i can't take american soccer seriously. lol.
June 13, 2011 4:03 am
Rivelino
yohami, i think you will like this story:
http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201106/kevin-driscoll-rape-charges-jail-assault-stigma-reputation
The Stigma
Kevin Driscoll never could have anticipated that an ill-advised one-night stand would lead to charges of sexual misconduct that would cost him his home, his job, and his wife-to-be. And even though a jury found him not guilty, he must now live with one of the last indelible taints in society—the rape accusation.
June 13 2011 05:57 am
yohami
checking, thanks bro
June 13, 2011 4:15 am
Titfortat
Riv
So she’s a bitch and youre whining about it. Who’s worse? Really man, come on.
June 13 2011 05:57 am
yohami
whiny is not the way to go
June 13, 2011 5:51 am
Rivelino
tit, i don’t know you but i don’t like you already.
June 13 2011 06:50 am
Titfortat
Lol. I see you bruise easily. Words on a screen bud.
June 13, 2011 10:29 am
Retrenched @Twitter Name
Riv, has “Amber” ever been belligerent that way with any of the women on the team? Or does she just talk that way to the men, knowing that social rules don’t allow them to respond in kind?
June 13, 2011 8:06 pm
Johnny Milfquest @@MilfQuest
Americans play association football (soccer) with men and women in the same game?
WTF?
We don’t have that in Britain or continental Europe. I don’t think that’s how they roll Latin America or Africa either.
We have womens games for the dykes over here, but the sexes don’t mix on the pitch.
June 13 2011 20:20 pm
yohami
here in Argentina regular people can rent the soccer field and play. Mixed teams.
June 14 2011 20:59 pm
Johnny Milfquest
@Yohami: Really? I didn't know that!
In England, people would say that men and women playing together is barbaric.
What about tackles, grabbing the shirt, pushing, shoving, elbowing?
I know those are all fouls, but tactical fouls are a big part of the English game.
June 13, 2011 9:03 pm
ASF
Riv I think this was a combination of you not feeling very alpha because of your performance coupled with her total bitchiness.
Remember, you have to treat her no differently than a toddler.
June 14 2011 08:06 am
dannyfrom504 @Twitter Name
that wasn't it, see my post below. women pull this shit A LOT in the states.
June 14, 2011 8:05 am
dannyfrom504 @Twitter Name
first off: NEVER play a co-ed sport. PERIOD. NEVER. secondly, i’d have told fattie pig fatty to come over and hit me. and i’d have LET her hit he, put my hands over my balls as to avoid the cheap shot, and let her hit me. most girls can’t punch for shit. she acted like an asshole because she KNOW’S it’s unacceptable for a man to get physical with a woman. so why shouldn’t she talk shit, it’ll never go to blows.
that’s why you should stay away from co-ed sports.
June 14 2011 08:37 am
yohami
thats a good one. ask her to materialize her promise and hit you.
June 14 2011 09:37 am
dannyfrom504
yeah. "C'MON, hit me bitch." men control the physical in relatinships and women control the emotional. of course modern society has made things a bit different, but: a woman worth having shrugs off what's society is telling her and she follow's a decent/just man.
it's just natural.
June 15, 2011 5:34 pm
Lily
Riv, you’re right that this would not likely have happened if you’d established yourself earlier in the game, but it does sound like a crazy situation. I like Danny’s idea of telling her to hit you.
I find it completely crazy that you pay mixed gender sports in the USA, I had to reread it a couple of times ago to sink in. It is completely bizarre.
However, your notion that women shouldn’t play team sports is simply ridiculous.
And re your mention of lacrosse, in England lacrosse is a girl sport. Goes back to Victorian times I think. As far as I know it’s only played in private schools, but even then mainly the more old fashioned ones (I would guess most private schools do hockey and netball, I am not sure what the case is in state schools across the board, in terms of how many do hockey). On my first reading of the Duke story with Karen Owens, that was the funniest thing, that guys who were apparently the pinnacle of alphaness at this university were so by virtue of playing what in England is a sport played by ladies.
It’s a shame that more girls don’t play ‘soccer’ here much though, I think I only know one girl irl and only because her dad saw she was very good and made a point of finding her a way to play it. Except for that the only time I’ve heard of it is in Bend it like Beckham (great film) but of course they end up going to the US at the end of it.
Cricket would be a good sport for girls I think as well, and perhaps it is one sport which could be played mixed gender (?), my niece likes playing it but she doesn’t have anyone to play with and her dad has said it’s a boy’s sport so I don’t think she will ever play it properly.
(quick flying stop, hopefully will get back online properly by end of the week, apologies for not getting back to any recent emails, thanks for the well wishers! x)
June 16 2011 00:28 am
dannyfrom504
welcome back momma. congrats.
June 15, 2011 8:57 pm
Just Jen @Twitter Name
I’m a girl who has played on both mixed and single-sex intramural soccer teams. I’m very sorry to know that girls are doing this kind of stuff now. Rivelino, I’d apologize to you on her behalf, but it wouldn’t really mean anything because she’s probably still going to behave like that. Apologies are useless without a change in behavior.
That said, I think learning to play a team sport has significantly improved my character. Being a team player; putting the group’s benefit above my own; sharing collective glory with teammates; sharing collective responsibility for losing; cheering on a teammate who is improving; holding a teammate responsible for her screw ups; not accepting excuses, but giving approval for good performance . . . etc. etc. This is a real-life forum for actual life experience.
For the most part, women who participate in team sports are building life skills that will do them well in the long run in most of their relationships, whether it’s with a girlfriend, co-worker, boss, or husband.
I’ve played on co-ed soccer teams with my husband, and we both enjoy it. However, I have a caveat about what kinds of co-ed teams I’ll play on. My husband is in the military, and I’ll only play on co-ed teams with military men. I’m frequently the only woman on the field. I pull my own weight, and they judge me on that basis. I can tell they trust me when they start to incorporate me into possession plays, but they only do that after I pass the initial shit test, and prove that I won’t lose the ball to the other team.
Civilian men don’t seem to have the self control on the field that military guys do. I watched a female teammate of mine get her ACL blown out in a “friendly” civilian co-ed indoor league by a civilian guy who couldn’t keep himself under control. Unfortunately, it seems that girls are now mirroring that lack of self control on the field, as per Rivelino’s experience.
June 15, 2011 11:08 pm
Fred
Your first mistake: playing in a co-ed soccer match. It makes as much sense as a co-ed NFL game.
June 15, 2011 11:10 pm
Jack Arthur
Rivelino:
Nice post.
“girls will reply, yeah, well girls need to be tough in this world, and gotta fend for themselves, men can’t be trusted, men will cheat on you and leave you, etc etc — and you know what, they make a point.”
It’s a problematic one because in so doing they leave behind the very unserious and serene natures that serve to intimate to men that life isn’t so serious after-all.
So fighting women go hand in hand with men who no longer need them, and who are instead more concerned with their own grasping and groping after goodness.
June 15 2011 23:20 pm
yohami
Being nice to them while they are being aggressive is a dumb move. The guy tried that with the sly smile and got slapped. Men try that with their nagging girfriends / wifes and get dumped. Being nice with your aggressor validates the aggression. Thing is you want to be nice with women, which is totally understandable, but nice, in this context, works against you.
June 15, 2011 11:28 pm
Jack Arthur
Being nice to someone to try to get something out of them is insincere.
Being nice because you know you can’t do anything to help them is different, and is just a way of saving energy.
If it was a girl I really loved then I would put my foot down and spend energy to correct her behaviour.
But if it is a stranger or someone who I didn’t like, then I would just be nice – not ingratiating or complimentary, and perhaps the right word is more like ‘cool’ – and leave them behind to deal with their own problems (not my problems).
June 15 2011 23:43 pm
yohami
Not getting involved is a great option. Dealing with it frontally when you love the person is the only option (better than walking away). How about the stuff in the middle, like in a soccer game, work team, etc, or the girl on the video
June 16 2011 00:01 am
Jack Arthur
To be honest it seems problematic looking for 'social answers' because ways of saving face are invariably ways of pledging the allegiance of one's emotions, feelings, states to some kind of convention, something recognized by the group. It only reinforces feeling not-quite-ok, reaffirms some basic neediness, as if someone else's problem might be capable of damaging our character.
If we merely seek to understand, then these situations become funny and enjoyable. It was a good story by Rivelino, after all, and fun and interesting to contemplate.
The girl's aggression is a need and a pretension that there was something about that situation she needed to rectify in order to secure her own worth. This to me seems either humourous or perhaps sad, but certainly it is not threatening.
June 15, 2011 11:28 pm
Jack Arthur
(sorry Yohami I meant as reply!)
June 15, 2011 11:42 pm
Lily
Yohami “Being nice with your aggressor validates the aggression.”
That’s interesting.
Because that would be a female strategy.
I think.
Thoughts?
e.g. what would most men do if you were kidnapped?
June 15 2011 23:47 pm
yohami
When overpowered you surrender, or get killed. But in regular aggressive power negotiations, the one being nice with the aggressor loses. The aggressor is playing win - lose, it you take that in, you lose. In men, this is a death - life thing.
As a female strategy it can work though. The aggression can be disabled by innocence, pretty eyes, etc, since that triggers different buttons that can defuse the aggression.
But take a woman who is being aggressive to a man and have the man tell her "honey why do you treat me like this I love you" and watch her get more enraged.
June 16 2011 00:39 am
dannyfrom504
"When overpowered you surrender, or get killed."
basically. one of sun tzu's philosophies is to place your men in a postition where they must fight an overwhelmingly superiour enemy where they will either WIN or DIE. in most cases they will win becasue they are fighting for thier lives.
i'd take fat bitch on one to one from the chest in a heartbeat. she'd cave, NO ONE'S ever called her on her shit. TRUST me.
and it ain't like i'm a big guy either....lol.
it's good to see lily's back to posting. missed her.
June 15, 2011 11:44 pm
Lily
I was so baffled I googled it.
Turns out it’s SWPL lol.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/14/67-co-ed-sports/
This was one of the comments
“Actually what you lef out is that white men enjoy Co-Ed Sports so that we can feel up white females with impunity. This is also known as foreplay. The after game drinks are when the couples form and splinter off from the main group. This invariably leads to consensual sex for about half the couples and date rape for the other half. This goes doubly true for co-ed sports at predominantly white (read: all) small, private Liberal Arts colleges.”
June 16, 2011 10:18 am
dannyfrom504
my perspective is strictly from a lilitary point-of-view.
going to more than one command softball game, it tends to be co-ed, but i’ve NEVER seen anything like what Riv experienced. a girl would be out of her tree to step to a dude. now you def see shit talk, but that’s just sports.
“danny, we another player for the softball game sunday.”
me- “sorry brah, i got shit going on.”
then i show up to the game with my dog brody and hit on the girls during/after the game. and brody ALWAYS brings the girls to me. lol.
July 6, 2011 4:02 am
Lily
@Jamie check out post I did on my blog little while ago. I pinged back here but I don’t think Yohami checks his wordpress admin.
@Yohami
More blogging please! How do you feel about more blogging & less entertaining (‘troubadouring’?) those strange folk at that other place
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