Ozy, I take the liberty to pick this which was addressed to TrollKing
“No offense, but I’m pretty sure I’m gonna limit the group blog to people who acknowledge that feminism is a valuable movement, even if they disagree.”
Feminism is valuable in the sense that it grants SOCIAL RIGHTS to people. Feminism is also destructive in the way its depriving of social rights and shaming and committing the same crimes its supposed to correct.
“Are you… seriously trying to argue that the time period which believed that if women went to school they would become infertile half-men (i.e. before women could vote) WASN’T sexist? Um, wow. Good luck with that.”
It was VERY sexist, very biased, very racist, very square minded, very classist, very stupid. Guess what, more or less like now, just balanced differently. When you go back and see all the injusticies done to women, there were parallel injusticies done to men. When you check the big picture of the men / women dynamics, you´ll find how everyone is always screwed up, and that a lot of the points the MRA guys make are valid.
So, I look back and look now and see the injusticies, I feel sympathy and want to help and make things fair for everyone. Feminism, however, cares about “everyone but men”, thus, making it fair to women without caring about men, only makes things even less fair to men, and thats the sole point of MRA.
Its such a simple thing really.
Stuff as simple as Feminism looking at third world poor countries and caring about “women and children”, what about men?
Or some figures saying that the real victims of war are “women and children”, what about men?
Or this “all soldiers are rapists”, really? so if some country messes with us and I go fight to defend your life, that makes me a rapist? fuck you?
If theres war with Canada and your boyfriends gets recruited (forced into the army against his will) but he does go to fight, is he a rapist now?
Whenever Feminism says stuff about men, just figure, for a moment, that they are talking about black people.
Imagine every time a woman kicks somebody balls on tv, picture thats a white man kicking a black man´s balls. Picture a white man kicking a woman´s clit. Not good, right?
Imagine a political movement looking at Africa and the poverty and wars and saying, hey people we really care about you: the real victims of this are the white people living there, lets get them weapons”
This is so obvious, the bias is so mean, so apparent, and hiding on plain sight. The only explanation of why feminists swallow this is they are just demonizing a whole gender and playing the victim role to the bottom. Its like they are enthranced by a religious spell.
Honey, men are capable of love, justice, hard work, invention, humor, warm feelings, fatherhood, brotherhood, loverhood, etc.
Every time I see a movement like Feminism finding injustices I go “YES”, but then when they come up with theories and dogmas and implementations, I go “WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING”
Its so evil, it has to be on purpose. That, or people is really, really stupid.
EDIT:
MRA is very important. I doubt anybody will listen though. We are not wired to care about whiny grown up men, we expect men to overcome and solve and save the world or die trying.
MRA is like the firemen, with the water and yellow helmets and pumping machines, crying scared that there is a fire in the building. Why dont YOU fix the issue? thats what everybody is expecting. Screaming “help” is what girls and childs do. You are the firemen. We cant help you. You help us.
Thats how we are wired, for better and worse.
MRA is important because it highlights the issue, instead of hiding it or looking the other way it shows men that they are not worthless creatures in comparisson to women as society has taught them their entire life.
Now whether a regular man finding out about MRA, the manosphere, Game, etc, decides to join the whiners OR take it up to task to fix things for himself from the micro level he can work from is an entirely different story. Personally i like doing a bit of both, i’m working to fix myself as beat as i can but i don’t mind calling out women on their BS either.
meh, more of the “feminists you suck, but hey you MRAs, you ain’t getting away scotfree.”
“Some feminists thought that this whole “sexism” thing was the fault of evil rapey woman-hating men back in the seventies, but as it turns out with a few shining exceptions men don’t hate women. ”
This is so much bullshit. (and she is clueless)
http://www.ottawamenscentre.com/news/20050421_wkkk.htm
feminism haven’t been about equality ever, they weren’t misguided women, they were out and out hateful of men.
It has always been about contempt for men and not compassion. Not about letting men show weakness but to let men be weak so that women can ascend.
These stupid women are useful idiots who can somehow think believe “fem”inism can mean no sexism utopia and god knows what else.
well dude, it was SOLD to me like equality, by my own very feminist pro hippie liberal mom, who taught me women were good and men were bad, so I better watch myself = bullshit. For me and for a lot of guys, cleaning that brainwash and understanding theres nothing evil in manhood is a process. So when I talk to feminists and they come with the “but now women can work and vote” I celebrate they can, yay, you go girl, and thats what I can concede to feminism, the some civil rights they go. All the rest, all the hatarade, is wrong.
And MRA, every time I start talking to one of these guys they sound just like the rad fems, “all women are evil” mantra. One guy at Ozy´s just said he wants a PAYOUT and that he is at war with the whole gender. Fucking idiots. Way to spin the wheel so nothing can be ever solved.
“well dude, it was SOLD to me like equality, by my own very feminist pro hippie liberal mom, who taught me women were good and men were bad”
lol so how is it equality?
“And MRA, every time I start talking to one of these guys they sound just like the rad fems, “all women are evil” mantra.”
They do say that NAWALT is shit.
My understanding is that we go through cycles, women reveal their “true” or unrestrained natures, men go “all women are evil and it’s better to keep them stupid”, a few generations later women look like heavenly angels to men, with behavior to boot and so on.
“I talk to feminists and they come with the “but now women can work and vote” I celebrate they can, yay, you go girl, and thats what I can concede to feminism, the some civil rights they go. ”
if work is substituted with “have fun” it will be closer to the mark. 30% of women had to work before the 70s wave and for them sitting at home would have been the dream.
But no, some upper class women were bored and couldn’t take that middle class and lower class men could rise to the positions they would’ve loved to be in. The independence and the ability to wield power in men’s institutions.
Instead of behaving like individuals and sorting through this on their own, and to bolster their own claims to power(more female CEOs naaoo), they dragged the whole female society into it, as is their wont.
Now housewives are rare in Sweden because it is seen as shameful. LOL it’s amusing to watch female machinations.
Good post Yohami;I had to resurrect it.My prime beef with femenism is the lack of acknowledgement for men.We only exist in the negative light(according to femenists).
Yep, the negative light is poison. Its easy to hate anyone and everyone if you only show them in a negative light. Without that bias, we could work to make things work. With the bias, its a no-go.
Feminism is guilty of sexism against men. Every time they defend a woman, even if they have a point, they make it at expenses of men as a whole, which includes a freaking amount of good people.
Feminism is a revolution like all revolutions started by the ‘have-nots’ to try and change the world. Each is naturally a failure: you cannot go from not-feeling-good to feeling-good using an ideology.
““Are you… seriously trying to argue that the time period which believed that if women went to school they would become infertile half-men (i.e. before women could vote) WASN’T sexist? Um, wow. Good luck with that.””
But it’s true. The education of women (read: conventionalisation, or, to render them more left-brain and ego-based) will draw them away from their femininity.
Haven’t you noticed that abortion clinics are now outnumbered by fertility clinics? Or maybe how dominant, left-brain females rarely give birth to boys?
The biological ‘remnant’ of these metaphysics is now taking shape, and we are already below replacement numbers.
When females “earn” the “right” to become conventionalized, to be led around by mere memories and to identify with words and concepts… they lose a much more important right: the right to feel what they feel and to live freely and fully as the continuity of life.
They become dual, like men, who ‘have’ a soul and who leave paradise in search of ‘better’ (that’s okay if you have a way to get home, isn’t it).
It is simply the remnant and indeed unavoidable continuity of a revolution that took place 500 years ago: the one that took basic goodness and man’s continuity with life and placed it outside of him, propping it up as an ideal and law to be followed. This is the seed of the modern slavish (beta) male.
From this perspective you certainly can’t blame women because who would want to live with and be bound to someone that longs for a pie in the sky? These types disrespect feminity as they try to fight and force everything into the nets that they cast over their lives, always living to some ‘purpose’ or ‘in order for’ some future thing that never comes… while their women live in the cloud of a great malaise that they do not understand (so do you if you have no one to help you know the present).
So they had to cast these types of shackles off. But as happens with every world-changing revolution, the crusader inevitably becomes a prisoner in the very jails he built to house his demons, and now, absurdly (and hilariously, perhaps) we have extended these wonderful ‘rights’ – the right to be a slavish beta – to women, too!
And they have girl babies, of course, as they long for the same thing as men: that connection, that present moment. So life comes along to help them out (their forlorn soul)… except that we cannot climb over each other fast enough to convince the new and glorious little girl that her worth is not hers and must be earned, fought for, lest it be lost forever. Soon enough she trades her role as the continuity (beauty) of life (truth) for something utterly boring, say “a lawyer”.
In the past it was only men who played this dangerous game (in order to secure more food, wealth, and beauty) of living outside of themselves… but they had mighty Eros to remind them of who they really were. Eros occurs between opposites, and our past civilization’s poetic roleplay had it happening between the forlorn Ego awareness and woman as the continuity of life which inspired him and animated his desires. Now with no one to inspire and everyone’s “personalities” reading like a political theory textbook, or some other littany of convention, all we have is cold philia and the “freedom” and “right” to fuck like dogs in an effort to “randomly” win a kid out of it (a girl, to be sure).
As we search not only to secure our very own worth, but to secure it in such a way that it renders our whole Kingdom ‘right all along’… and that just never, ever works (just ask Luther).
It’s not my intention to preach, but may you find this interesting and enjoyable (and above all, easy to leave behind).